tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post6375322196691232502..comments2024-01-01T18:41:14.457-05:00Comments on NFL from the sidelines: DBs burn up the trackMoehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13612323587459830074noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-30554554839431938262014-02-28T17:47:48.148-05:002014-02-28T17:47:48.148-05:00Well said Kyle. Figuring out exactly how much a pl...Well said Kyle. Figuring out exactly how much a player is worth isn't easy. And the most agonizing Pratt is that we usually don't know if they're worth it until after they've been signed.McFadden 41https://www.blogger.com/profile/00324526673744811832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-59530559357932980022014-02-28T13:40:23.103-05:002014-02-28T13:40:23.103-05:00I understand your point moreso now. I guess your ...I understand your point moreso now. I guess your example of Wallace threw me as the Dolphins reportedly were outbid by the Vikings but Wallace wanted to play in Miami. He certainly wasn't worth his salary this past season and most Steeler fans were so fed up with him that any amount of money was going to seem like overpayment but the fact is, he was a productive player for most of his time in Pittsburgh and has top end speed at a position where that matters so his market value was met.<br /><br />I think the intrinsic value of players is impossible to determine, particularly before the fact. At some point, Russell Wilson is going to get paid much more than any player on Seattle's defense even though, to my eyes, he is not as important to their success.<br /><br />I wasn't shocked by the money Woodley got from the Steelers. Pass-rushers make a lot of money. I was surprised they paid as much as they did to Woodley and Timmons at the same time. I understood wanting to lock down two younger linebackers who were playing quite well but as we've seen, they've had trouble the last couple of years partly because of that.<br /><br />So I think we agree on that point. Although, I'd say in Woodley's defense, he had earned his money at that point, whereas Timmons hadn't. So it's interesting to me that Timmons has played better since (mostly due to injuries perhaps).kylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-50413406916236715162014-02-28T13:16:38.399-05:002014-02-28T13:16:38.399-05:00yes, kyle, it is certainly all about perception an...yes, kyle, it is certainly all about perception and anticipated performance at the time of signing and that is what I am referencing. once a player performs in the years following, only then can you definitively determine whether they were overpaid or not.<br /><br />however, as dale has often said in the past, it only takes one or two crazy GM's to jack up a player's asking price in FA. if one GM pays, for example, 15% higher than all other offers, then that player is overpaid based on prevailing opinions. <br /><br />in Woodley's case, I was shocked when they signed him to that contract. I certainly did not predict his injury problems or even that he would become less productive. but rather, to make that much of an investment to that position on the defense made no sense to me. and that contract has been hurting them ever since.<br /><br />I think they will pay whatever the market dictates for worilds, thanks to the higher cap, and we will have to hope he continues to produce.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-4214427420284935762014-02-28T12:50:47.711-05:002014-02-28T12:50:47.711-05:00Not exactly, marc.
The market price is the player...Not exactly, marc.<br /><br />The market price is the player's "value." And that value isn't really shown until after the contract is signed and the player performs (or underperforms) for a few years.<br /><br />We all don't like how much Woodley is getting paid but we wouldn't feel that way if he were an all pro the last three years and led the league in sacks. They won't have overpaid for Worilds until they pay him and he doesn't live up to expectations. Just as they won't have gotten a deal if they pay him the market value and he outperforms it.kylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-35537955145642799412014-02-28T11:44:25.730-05:002014-02-28T11:44:25.730-05:00dale, you know full well by now that just because ...dale, you know full well by now that just because the market dictates a certain price it can be well more than that player's actual "value". mike wallace ring a bell? or do I need to go back through the years of exorbitantly over paid FA's.<br /><br />I expect they will resign worilds. Woodley is too much of an unknown to speculate, but my guess is that he is in black and gold for next season.<br /><br />dale, are there any FA's you hope they they sign?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-31017094783403114182014-02-28T10:23:39.290-05:002014-02-28T10:23:39.290-05:00Fans are ridiculous sometimes...they want everybod...Fans are ridiculous sometimes...they want everybody signed on the cheap and every player the teams passes on in the draft is a sure fire, can't miss prospect. <br /><br />I wish they could have signed Lewis too, but they didn't. Not the end of the world. I'm taking the novel approach of waiting to see how things play out. This is a seemingly deep draft at positrons of need so let's see how it plays out. I don't expect a super bowl, but I think the playoffs are a reasonable expectation if the quarter back doesn't pout and whine and if some young players make the jump. McFadden 41https://www.blogger.com/profile/00324526673744811832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-52942551601359510852014-02-27T22:24:03.567-05:002014-02-27T22:24:03.567-05:00They will re-sign Worilds. They're not going t...They will re-sign Worilds. They're not going to let him walk.<br /><br />And why is it overpay, anyway?<br /><br />It's what the market dictates for a promising young pass rusher, especially for a team that's lacking in pass rushers.Dale Lolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089003781188560287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-21349170720879610752014-02-27T20:00:03.124-05:002014-02-27T20:00:03.124-05:00Steelers may no longer be wading the waters of &qu...Steelers may no longer be wading the waters of "cap hell". NBC is reporting today that a league source has stated the cap will go up to $135 million. If this is true what's more likely; the Steelers overpay Worilds, or let him walk and sign an impact FA starter for the defense? Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-42089535939836831682014-02-27T17:34:13.893-05:002014-02-27T17:34:13.893-05:00What does one have to do with the other?
They'...What does one have to do with the other?<br />They'll have plenty of free cash next year to extend Heyward.Dale Lolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089003781188560287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-87734141400122689332014-02-27T16:34:06.866-05:002014-02-27T16:34:06.866-05:00When did Worilds become the next Lawrence Taylor? ...When did Worilds become the next Lawrence Taylor? Let some other team overpay for his services and use the cash to extend Heyward next year. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-18951453972747312322014-02-26T22:18:32.424-05:002014-02-26T22:18:32.424-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dale Lolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089003781188560287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-3699762957367414042014-02-26T22:18:31.817-05:002014-02-26T22:18:31.817-05:00Actually he can find another team. That is the ben...Actually he can find another team. That is the benefit for the player. But his money stays on the books until June 1.Dale Lolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089003781188560287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-34272152631975167112014-02-26T16:25:44.692-05:002014-02-26T16:25:44.692-05:00Thanks for the response on the June 1 question. Th...Thanks for the response on the June 1 question. That kind of sucks for the player, because he can't find another team until then and FA dollars are likely mostly used up for most teams by then.Heniginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18203619479616142893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-91241076504433135212014-02-26T14:42:07.430-05:002014-02-26T14:42:07.430-05:00Even if they designate Woodley as a post-June 1 cu...Even if they designate Woodley as a post-June 1 cut, that only allows him to become a a free agent when he's released. His salary remains on the books for the Steelers until June 1.<br /><br />The Steelers still have a couple of weeks to work out a deal with Worilds. They will start making some moves soon.<br /><br />I like DeCoudDale Lolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089003781188560287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-76155428534416228532014-02-26T13:45:55.186-05:002014-02-26T13:45:55.186-05:00There have been several reports that there are sev...There have been several reports that there are several teams that will be in the mix for Worilds services and that he may get a better offer than the Steelers will be willing to match. I hope that does not happen, but the reports are out there. Jason LaCanforna's quote seems the biggest one I have seen that is being circulated. I would hate to lose Worilds a la Keenan Lewis and I hope the front office has learned a lesson, but we will see. I do not have faith in Woodley, just too many missed games over the last 2 1/2 seasons, unless he takes a big paycut, he needs to go IMO.Lancenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-13044691446263489642014-02-26T13:22:24.215-05:002014-02-26T13:22:24.215-05:00Dale - quick question: can you explain why they ha...Dale - quick question: can you explain why they have to wait until June 1 if they want to cut Woodley and spread the resulting dead cap money over 2014 and 2015? I thought they could cut him now and just designate him as a post-June 1 cut to achieve the same outcome. (or did that go away with the latest CBA?)Heniginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18203619479616142893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-21955459644045520262014-02-26T13:08:16.569-05:002014-02-26T13:08:16.569-05:00If they're going to lose Worilds because someb...If they're going to lose Worilds because somebody overpays him based on 1/2 season, can't they use the extra cap money to franchise him, then try to work out a deal in the summer after they cut Woodley?<br /><br />Say they lose Worilds. That leaves Woodley and Jones, on a defense with major pass rush problems. That puts a pass rusher as a top draft priority, too, or should, I think.<br /><br />I hope drafting a tall reciever is not the priority it has been reported as being. Still have Sweed-itis, and I think it's an overrated need. <br /><br />Be nice to have a bigger - not necessarily super-tall - receiver in the mix (Boldin is not 6'4", Hines was not tall, how were they in the red zone?) but with the defense in the state it is and the Steelers' success with later round receivers, it just makes me nervous. Think of all the first-round Measurables receivers who were busts.<br /><br />Anyway would probably rather have Ebron than any of the receivers who will be available.Anonymous Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-2398044086958996552014-02-26T12:21:10.937-05:002014-02-26T12:21:10.937-05:00Dale,
Thoughts on recently released FS Thomas DeC...Dale,<br /><br />Thoughts on recently released FS Thomas DeCoud? While he did seem to struggle a bit last year, it seems his release was more salary cap related. Eric Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330208991091877097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-87118153215903714542014-02-26T11:55:43.056-05:002014-02-26T11:55:43.056-05:00I like Carrington a lot. Think he would be an exce...I like Carrington a lot. Think he would be an excellent 3-4 defensive end who can rush the passer.<br /><br />Soliai I'm not as high on, mostly because of his age. He's already 30. He can play, but for how much longer? Those really big guys tend to start breaking down quickly after 30 with knee and back issues.Dale Lolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089003781188560287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-48767451539674138872014-02-26T11:36:24.069-05:002014-02-26T11:36:24.069-05:00Dale,
What is your opinion on Paul Soliai, DT fro...Dale,<br /><br />What is your opinion on Paul Soliai, DT from Miami and Alex Carrington, DE from Bills? Might be interesting free agent pickups? Rumor has it that Soliai is being looked over by several teams. Option at NT?<br /><br />As for the draft, best corner available then safety. IMHO<br /><br />JimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-2010011398326275952014-02-26T10:53:29.553-05:002014-02-26T10:53:29.553-05:00I was looking at some mock drafts this morning and...I was looking at some mock drafts this morning and what stood out to me the most was the plethora of quality players in the second half of the first round.<br /><br />how likely is it the steelers try to trade back a bit to pick up an extra pick in a deep draft and still get a quality player?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-79397344943924293822014-02-26T10:37:43.947-05:002014-02-26T10:37:43.947-05:00I really hope that if they pick a big WR, they tak...I really hope that if they pick a big WR, they take someone other than Benjamin. If anyone has seen the analysis Rotoviz.com has done (granted, for fantasy football purposes) on trends of breakout age for college players, you'll know that Benjamin graded out in underwhelming fashion. Additionally, even though he put up good volumes of numbers, he never had over 30% market share of the passing game for FSU (market share = avg of % of total team yds and total team TDs). Elite NFL WRs have trended to have much higher market share, and at an early age.<br /><br />With all of that said, the Steelers almost always take players who are younger than the average players with their first round pick, so I'd think it unlikely that they take a 23-yr old WR/TE hybrid.Heniginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18203619479616142893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-27070259670836503092014-02-26T01:40:51.185-05:002014-02-26T01:40:51.185-05:00I like Evans at 15 but if he's gone I like, Gi...I like Evans at 15 but if he's gone I like, Gilbert, Pryor, Dennard, Ebron, or Clinton-Dix, in that order. I imagine one of those players will be available at 15 and you can't go wrong with any of them.Steve-Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04777180013652920920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-72177608079651913942014-02-25T23:00:30.133-05:002014-02-25T23:00:30.133-05:00I think we're looking at someone from the grou...I think we're looking at someone from the group of Benjamin, Ebron, Nix and maybe Fuller at #15.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15287012.post-40599119544832441502014-02-25T22:57:00.754-05:002014-02-25T22:57:00.754-05:00Dale, please do an article on our chances of keepi...Dale, please do an article on our chances of keeping Worilds. Rumors of his pending loss are growing like wildfire, and it would be horrible if it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Your opinion at least seems more believable than with you having some semblance of being in the know besides simple numbers and what the Steelers may or may not see as his value.PTownSteelTownnoreply@blogger.com